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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 11:12:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Myfanwy Heimdal wrote:Yes, you are allowed opinions, I didn't say anywhere where opinions weren't allowed and nowhere did I even suggest that the internet ought to be closed down.
Okay, let's have opnions. Nothing wrong with opinions but's let's have opinions that you hold by rather than lies.
By this if I say that I am not keen on a certain section of society, or how a part of society is run or that I am going or not going to do something then let's make it truthful.
Everything that I have written here in this thread and every other message since my first message on Eve and, in fact on any message board anywhere on the internet at any time, or BBS in time before that, has been truthful. And because I never intented ever to harm anyone I have never had ever had the need to threaten anyone.
If someone comes onto the internet and fouls the waters by being an utter prat and, in doing so, breaks the law then he fullly deservers what he gets. And, yes, he did something wrong - he fell foul of the law with respect to publishing various threats which cannot be taken lightly.
Yes, let's have freedom of speech but let's add a proviso - you can say what you want but it had better be true to your feelings and intentions. And then beware of the consequences. I am the biggest advocate of freedom of speech but I know that with some freedoms comes reposnsibilities. That fact may now have dawned onto that idiot.
So, no. I don't think it's the right thing to do is to do as you suggest and close down the internet. Houm, sounds like you pretend everyone to be Asperger. The whole point of most humor is to state as true what is false in a way that triggers humour. Humour implies saying things you don't mean and which are funny precisely because you don't mean them. In my view, the boy did something stupid, but the woman who denounced him is beyond stupid, she's an insult to humanity.
I actually thought most humour is humourous as there is some form of truth to it, but that is just my opinion.
My opinion is that if you say something stupid just to incite reaction you are responsible for the end results. That being said, if what you said involves you actually having to do something for said issues to arise then there is a very clear line that has not been crossed; therefore prosecution should not occur. I also feel like people have every right to report said speech to the authorities and then authorities just may deem it necessary to monitor said individual if they deem it necessary. You know probable cause and all.
Trolls believe that the internet has added some veil of anonymity to their trolling nature, well that is not so true and now people need to watch what they say online just like they have to watch what they say in the real world. I seriously doubt he would have said what he said in an open forum, even with the lol's added. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:11:00 -
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Could it be that he is on suicide watch because trained professionals deemed him a suicide risk, which calls into question his level of mental stability  |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:26:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:Could it be that he is on suicide watch because trained professionals deemed him a suicide risk, which calls into question his level of mental stability  Yay, and maybe he just was like that before being imprisoned and abused in jail, all because of a joke. 
When you are put into detention before trial you are not put into general population. Therefore he is not being abused by general population. Also, his joke was abusive and tactless according to many. So if you can not deal with it don't dish it out.
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:37:00 -
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Keira Kashuken wrote:Max Godsnottlingson wrote:You know what.
While this certainly displayes the flaws within the US legal system, and that's not just knocking the US, as I gather that there is a similer case happening in the UK.
I actually find it difficult to have any sympathy at all for this rather stupid little boy.
"It was only a joke" The famous defence of just about every bully that has been caught out.
Trolls and so called 'hacktavist' have been pigging the world off for, as long as the internet has been about, and it looks like the worlds patience is starting to run out. The fact that I am typing this may be evidence, as once I would have been in the front line of shouting in support of the lad. But now it's more a case off "To***r, got what he deserves."
That is wrong I know, but perhaps it is evidence of how uncaring the world is becoming, I don't know. What I do know, is that this youth is not high on my list of priorities to beat a drum on to defend. He made a damn joke. He didnt hurt anybody, sure he went too far but they threw him into a cell for several months before his case went to a judge. It doesn't even matter what happens now, the guy's life is trashed, he is done. A proper sentence would have been to let him clean a park for a month or do some other social work, show him what responsibility means. But you cant throw a teenager in a cell for something he SAID. I mean what would happened to him if he hit somebody in the face once? Instant death sentence? This whole case is just ridiculous, if he would have said these things to somebody in public he would have been scolded by his parents and it would have been ok. But hey he said it on Facebook so better go and shatter his ******* live wohooo.
He has not been tried yet ;)
Also, I would like to see a comedian pull of this child's line in their stand up.
EDIT: He was 'thrown' in jail as anyone that would joke like this definitely has zero empathy.... and that leads to other negative actions in many individuals. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 16:55:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:In fact, why does someone not re-work the quote into a legitimate threat and let's look at the difference..........
GÇ£He replied GÇÿOh yeah, IGÇÖm real messed up in the head, IGÇÖm going to go shoot up a school full of kids and eat their still, beating hearts,GÇÖ
All that is omitted is the lol's and the jk's. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 17:26:00 -
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Keira Kashuken wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Keira Kashuken wrote:
He made a damn joke.
If that is folk's idea of a 'joke' (which it is NOT), I'd hate to see what you consider a legitimate threat. Well he deserves to be punished. But he is a teenager, not a seasoned criminal that broke yet another law, so punish him like a teenager. And like I said, if he would have said the very same things in public he would have been picked up by the police, driven home and likely would have gotten some social work, but thats it. People just flip out because it was on Facebook.
8 years is ridiculous, but community service is not enough. You take away the 'lols' and 'jk's what this child said is a legitimate threat. The fact that one would say something like he said is an indication that there is little empathy in the individual. This does not mean the individual is definitely on the path to a homicidal break out, but if the authorities shrugged it off and then the individual turned around and acted upon their words, the authorities would have their lives drawn through the dirt. Point being, people should learn that just because you are not in public the power of your words do not lose their power.
Lol's and Jk's do not erase the previous statement and do not diminish the ridiculousness of the statement.
Again, I will say I would like to see someone use this child's words in a stand up comedy act in public and see what the response is. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:14:00 -
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Tumahub wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Yeah. 8 years in prison is a bit much, but he deserves something. What does he deserve? Slade Trillgon wrote: 8 years is ridiculous, but community service is not enough.
Just to be clear, I was responding to both of you. (Because I find your circle-jerk of agreement about his guilt to be nauseating.)
Well go stick a finger down your throat then and alleviate your discomfort.
Again, use this child's joke in stand up and see how many laughs you get. That's right, you have not the ******* to do that. It is also not ironic in the least that it is someone that supports this child's lack of tact and idiocy that is nauseated by others opinions. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:43:00 -
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Tumahub wrote:So you admit it was a joke that you want a child sent to prison for, to be raped and made into a human symbol of what's wrong with our society.
Good for you man. Stand up for what you believe in!
Quote me where i said he should do jail time. All I said was simple community service was too easy.
And let me be clear fine sir. I can almost guarantee that i have said worse things in my past, but you know what? I knew who the **** my audience was. This kid is a prime example of the morons that are raising children today, period.
EDIT: Also, I did not say it was a joke either, I said I would like to see you, or anyone for that matter, to try and pull his lines off in comedy. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 19:53:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Slade Trillgon wrote:[(...)
Quote me where i said he should do jail time. All I said was simple community service was too easy.
And let me be clear fine sir. I can almost guarantee that i have said worse things in my past, but you know what? I knew who the **** my audience was. (...) Yes, luckily it didn't included a wannabe cybercop in another country, with access to your personal data and the common sense of a dead amoeba. 
So maybe people should be more carefull with how they act in public  |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.09 20:14:00 -
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Tumahub wrote:Hey, you know what's really tough and manly and shows everyone you mean business?
Drinking bleach.
You know what shows you mean business, saying things in a public forum thinking there are zero repercussions.
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.10 00:35:00 -
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Ordinary boy my arse if what he said was ordinary the likes of what he posted would be all over FB. But it is not, so your claims of ordinary fall short. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.10 01:18:00 -
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The opposite side of this convo seems to just be scared that they are starting to lose their grasp on their free haven. For close to a decade and a half trolls have relished in their ability to spew whatever they want out on public forums without fear of repercussions. Well, if certain parts of the population want to be so edgy why not bring it to the street? I mean they believe they have a right to type it out. Grow some balls and bring it to my face and not my screen. Cowards. And this kid will be your martyr 
Edit: A martyr that will probably end up with time served and a slap on his wrist. |

Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2013.07.10 02:48:00 -
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If he wanted to be edgy and try to play the I am cool because I say crazy stuff.
He should have said something like following.
"Yeah I am fing crazy. I am a fing cannibal and I eat raw human flesh."
The above would have instilled similar levels of distaste in his targets minds and there would be no grounds as their is no actual potential target. But no, he had to target, albeit vaguely, A school. What if he had said, A police station, or A court house. Law Enforcements hands would be tied there as well I believe.
So, if you truly think, the law is in the wrong, just make sure you never throw stones if they ever ignore a potential threat that hits close to home. |
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